chris23
Joined: Jun 25, 2001
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Posted: 03/28/2002 05:39 am
I saw some references to a new search directory at http://www.gigablast.com. after checking it out, I found that many of the directory categories have a google PR of 3 (min PR for google link  . After submission, your home page is crawled and posted immediatly with your meta description and title!This is an easy way to get a solid incomming link - especially for new sites wanting google to crawl them for the first time. Hurry, google crawls in a few days!
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excell
Moderator
Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 03/28/2002 05:56 am
huh? did you check the database?
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chris23
Joined: Jun 25, 2001
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Posted: 03/28/2002 05:59 am
yeah, I just added two of my sites to some pages that had a PR of 3. They should be a good, valid link for the next google update.
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gbull
Joined: Mar 16, 2002
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Posted: 03/28/2002 06:15 am
Chris, I can't pull up the site. You sure the link is correct?
Thanks
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chris23
Joined: Jun 25, 2001
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Posted: 03/28/2002 06:29 am
It appears to be down!! Here is a link to the article in another forum here so you can see the URL there too. http://searchengineforums.com/Forum11/HTML/001821.html
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chris23
Joined: Jun 25, 2001
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Posted: 03/28/2002 06:31 am
OK, how many times can i get it wrong today. STUPID STUPID STUPID.the REAL engine i was talking about is here. http://www.netinsert.com/ STUPID STUPID STUPID (me) Yes, this URL works.
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OptWizard
Joined: Nov 14, 1999
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Posted: 03/28/2002 06:38 am
Giga is down now
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rubik
Joined: Nov 15, 1999
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Posted: 03/28/2002 06:41 am
What's with the mandatory meta tag?The last thing I want to do is start adding tags to my site for every site out there to use at their request. I think they should probably rethink the functionality of their directory. If you were going to make a particular bit of html mandatory on the site, I think they would be best served with a reciprocal link, not that worthless tag.
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excell
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 03/28/2002 06:54 am
it's nice to see something new though
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chris23
Joined: Jun 25, 2001
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Posted: 03/28/2002 07:12 am
You only need the tag on your front page. Since they use your own title as the link text, I think the 'perfect linking' this provides is well worth the few bytes of a custom meta tag. I 'KNOW' for a fact that you would tweak a line or two of your code to get a good link. Why not a meta tag?
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crash
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Joined: Dec 02, 2003
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Posted: 03/28/2002 07:55 am
Gigablast is working out bugs - and has had to dump it's database several times, keep an eye on it but don't expect much traffic from them yet.As for the rest, this is now a non-Google topic so it's moving to Other Search Engines
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Shenoa
Joined: Feb 19, 2002
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Posted: 03/28/2002 09:14 pm
While I may not like the necessity of adding a custom meta tag to get into the NetInsert Directory, I do like the fact that URLs are listed in the order they are added. This is a good opportunity to be listed first in categories with no listings. If this directory gains recognition, that time investment now may pay off later on.
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mbauser2
Joined: Mar 07, 2002
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Posted: 03/28/2002 09:57 pm
quote:
This is an easy way to get a solid incomming link - especially for new sites wanting google to crawl them for the first time.Hurry, google crawls in a few days!
And Google isn't going to make it past Netinsert's robots.txt: code:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /do/
Disallow: /dir/
All the site listings are in the /dir/ directory. Google won't see them. Always check the robots.txt when cultivating inbound links.
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unreviewed
Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 03/28/2002 11:23 am
"Disallow: /dir/"Interesting decision.  notsmart.com would be a better domain.
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NetInsert
Joined: Mar 29, 2002
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Posted: 03/28/2002 11:25 pm
After having received an email regarding a discussion of our robots.txt file we would like to reply to this thread.The reason that we have excluded the /dir/ directory is due to heavy loading of our web servers from various web crawlers. Currently we have over 25000 html files in the /dir/ directory all of which are interconnected through links in a hierarchical structure as you may have seen on the directory pages. As a result, the web crawler will download the pages at a very fast rate, typically we have seen download rates of up 10 files per second per crawler. The drawback to this is that the web server will become more or less unavailable whenever we get a crawler visit. We then took the decision to exclude the crawlers from the /dir/ directory.
However, since your opinion matters to us we have decided to open the /dir/ directory to Googlebot only during a trial period. If we do not get any major availability problems during this period we may open the /dir/ directory to other crawlers as well in the future.
Henrik at NetInsert
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cluelesskim
Joined: Mar 24, 2002
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Posted: 03/29/2002 03:03 am
Ok - So is this a good site to avoid if you want to get in /stay in google? Thanks! (see, I'm cluelesss)
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NetInsert
Joined: Mar 29, 2002
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Posted: 03/29/2002 03:59 am
Ok, sorry if I was unclear. Let me clarify:
the NetInsert /dir/ directory is now open for Gogglebot, and it will remain open to Gogglebot in the future. Henrik at NetInsert
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CaveToad
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 03/29/2002 05:10 am
Henrik,
why should I bother with your special meta tag in my site? What sort of traffic are you getting? What sort of marketing are you doing to get traffic? With many many many other places to submit my sites that don't require any additional tags on the sites I develop and work on what makes your site worth the time to change all that code?
If you're not showing us the traffic you can't expect us to blindly change our HTML to suit your needs.
If Google were to say you need to add the tag
<meta name="keepmeingoogle" content="allthetime">
You can bet I'd be all over that, google gives me great traffic referrals and has for ages. But when some little directory out of nowhere does this with no referrals to back it up, you bet that most of us will be passing on adding to the directory. Too much work for too little return. Many of us take care of large numbers of sites, too many to go back into and tweak based on speculation.
Maybe you should offer 'Premium listings' to those that add the tag and offer 'Standard listings' to those that decline, helping to grow your directory rapidly and get you some submissions and maybe some users.
And if your site can't handle the traffic from the crawlers what about when you start to get real traffic to your site from searchers? What then? Just opening it up for you to explain your methods/model/expectations a little.
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NetInsert
Joined: Mar 29, 2002
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Posted: 03/29/2002 05:42 am
The objection you are raising to the "NetInsert" paradigm is by far the most common comment we get on the directory. The short answer is that this is the only way to create a secure and robust mechanism for organizing the web in an automated and programmable fashion.There are several reasons why the information for a web page is defined in the form of meta tags: *Identification of the sender. If the information is based on e.g. the use of a web form or an email, it is not possible to identify the sender with any sufficient degree of certainty. By using meta tags the source of the information is unambiguous and the information can be trusted.
*Legal permission. By declaring the meta tag for netinsert the owner of the web page has given NetInsert permission to show a link to the page.
*Update mechanism. By using meta tags a mechanism for automatically updating a web page in the directory is made possible. All web pages in the directory are continuously verified by the NetInsert index robot, and any changes in the meta tags of a web page are immediately reflected in the listing for the web page in the directory. After having carefully studied this subject we have found that the use of meta tags is the only viable solution for implementing a user defined programmable directory. The netinsert meta is required because it tells NetInsert which category and which geographical area the web page should be indexed in. If the netinsert meta tag was not used, anyone could add any page in any category. You can find more information on how NetInsert works in our help pages:
http://www.netinsert.com/en/index.html
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CaveToad
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 03/29/2002 08:36 am
Ok,
but what's to stop me from inserting your meta in my page but setting it to an irrelevant category? Using a valid description and keywords that match the category code. For example, having a site all about cars but submitting it to the category about Britney Spears to get more traffic from there. Your site doesn't seem to be verified by humans to check relevance to categories submitted to. A bot would see that my code is good and that I've got the necessary tags and all that would work so how would it catch me? How are you blocking this possible spam avenue? Meta tags don't always tell the truth I can be just as ambiguous with meta tags as elsewhere.
User control is great when you have some oversight to it but after reading over the materials on your site, it doesn't sound like you have that. Not yet anyway.
You're still not selling me on the need to use it. Do you have any traffic to offer me in exchange for all this effort I'm going to have to put in?
Get some human editors, I can see the lure of the self-propelled directory but the opportunity for abuse is too large. Get your friends to come over, pay them in beer and pizza and review submissions every week.
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