I saw some references to a new search directory at http://www.gigablast.com. after checking it out, I found that many of the directory categories have a google PR of 3 (min PR for google link . After submission, your home page is crawled and posted immediatly with your meta description and title!

This is an easy way to get a solid incomming link - especially for new sites wanting google to crawl them for the first time.

Hurry, google crawls in a few days!

huh? did you check the database?

yeah, I just added two of my sites to some pages that had a PR of 3. They should be a good, valid link for the next google update.

Chris, I can't pull up the site. You sure the link is correct?
Thanks

It appears to be down!! Here is a link to the article in another forum here so you can see the URL there too. http://searchengineforums.com/Forum11/HTML/001821.html

OK, how many times can i get it wrong today. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

the REAL engine i was talking about is here. http://www.netinsert.com/

STUPID STUPID STUPID (me)

Yes, this URL works.

Giga is down now

What's with the mandatory meta tag?

The last thing I want to do is start adding tags to my site for every site out there to use at their request.

I think they should probably rethink the functionality of their directory. If you were going to make a particular bit of html mandatory on the site, I think they would be best served with a reciprocal link, not that worthless tag.

it's nice to see something new though

You only need the tag on your front page. Since they use your own title as the link text, I think the 'perfect linking' this provides is well worth the few bytes of a custom meta tag. I 'KNOW' for a fact that you would tweak a line or two of your code to get a good link. Why not a meta tag?

Gigablast is working out bugs - and has had to dump it's database several times, keep an eye on it but don't expect much traffic from them yet.

As for the rest, this is now a non-Google topic so it's moving to Other Search Engines

While I may not like the necessity of adding a custom meta tag to get into the NetInsert Directory, I do like the fact that URLs are listed in the order they are added. This is a good opportunity to be listed first in categories with no listings. If this directory gains recognition, that time investment now may pay off later on.

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This is an easy way to get a solid incomming link - especially for new sites wanting google to crawl them for the first time.

Hurry, google crawls in a few days!

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And Google isn't going to make it past Netinsert's robots.txt:

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User-agent: *
Disallow: /do/
Disallow: /dir/

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All the site listings are in the /dir/ directory. Google won't see them.

Always check the robots.txt when cultivating inbound links.

"Disallow: /dir/"

Interesting decision.

notsmart.com would be a better domain.

After having received an email regarding a discussion of our robots.txt file we would like to reply to this thread.

The reason that we have excluded the /dir/ directory is due to heavy loading of our web servers from various web crawlers. Currently we have over 25000 html files in the /dir/ directory all of which are interconnected through links in a hierarchical structure as you may have seen on the directory pages. As a result, the web crawler will download the pages at a very fast rate, typically we have seen download rates of up 10 files per second per crawler. The drawback to this is that the web server will become more or less unavailable whenever we get a crawler visit. We then took the decision to exclude the crawlers from the /dir/ directory.

However, since your opinion matters to us we have decided to open the /dir/ directory to Googlebot only during a trial period. If we do not get any major availability problems during this period we may open the /dir/ directory to other crawlers as well in the future.

Henrik at NetInsert

Ok - So is this a good site to avoid if you want to get in /stay in google? Thanks! (see, I'm cluelesss)

Ok, sorry if I was unclear. Let me clarify:
the NetInsert /dir/ directory is now open for Gogglebot, and it will remain open to Gogglebot in the future.

Henrik at NetInsert

Henrik,
why should I bother with your special meta tag in my site? What sort of traffic are you getting? What sort of marketing are you doing to get traffic? With many many many other places to submit my sites that don't require any additional tags on the sites I develop and work on what makes your site worth the time to change all that code?
If you're not showing us the traffic you can't expect us to blindly change our HTML to suit your needs.
If Google were to say you need to add the tag
<meta name="keepmeingoogle" content="allthetime">
You can bet I'd be all over that, google gives me great traffic referrals and has for ages. But when some little directory out of nowhere does this with no referrals to back it up, you bet that most of us will be passing on adding to the directory. Too much work for too little return. Many of us take care of large numbers of sites, too many to go back into and tweak based on speculation.
Maybe you should offer 'Premium listings' to those that add the tag and offer 'Standard listings' to those that decline, helping to grow your directory rapidly and get you some submissions and maybe some users.
And if your site can't handle the traffic from the crawlers what about when you start to get real traffic to your site from searchers? What then?

Just opening it up for you to explain your methods/model/expectations a little.

The objection you are raising to the "NetInsert" paradigm is by far the most common comment we get on the directory. The short answer is that this is the only way to create a secure and robust mechanism for organizing the web in an automated and programmable fashion.

There are several reasons why the information for a web page is defined in the form of meta tags:

*Identification of the sender. If the information is based on e.g. the use of a web form or an email, it is not possible to identify the sender with any sufficient degree of certainty. By using meta tags the source of the information is unambiguous and the information can be trusted.
*Legal permission. By declaring the meta tag for netinsert the owner of the web page has given NetInsert permission to show a link to the page.
*Update mechanism. By using meta tags a mechanism for automatically updating a web page in the directory is made possible. All web pages in the directory are continuously verified by the NetInsert index robot, and any changes in the meta tags of a web page are immediately reflected in the listing for the web page in the directory.

After having carefully studied this subject we have found that the use of meta tags is the only viable solution for implementing a user defined programmable directory. The netinsert meta is required because it tells NetInsert which category and which geographical area the web page should be indexed in. If the netinsert meta tag was not used, anyone could add any page in any category.

You can find more information on how NetInsert works in our help pages:
http://www.netinsert.com/en/index.html

Ok,
but what's to stop me from inserting your meta in my page but setting it to an irrelevant category? Using a valid description and keywords that match the category code. For example, having a site all about cars but submitting it to the category about Britney Spears to get more traffic from there. Your site doesn't seem to be verified by humans to check relevance to categories submitted to. A bot would see that my code is good and that I've got the necessary tags and all that would work so how would it catch me? How are you blocking this possible spam avenue? Meta tags don't always tell the truth I can be just as ambiguous with meta tags as elsewhere.
User control is great when you have some oversight to it but after reading over the materials on your site, it doesn't sound like you have that. Not yet anyway.
You're still not selling me on the need to use it. Do you have any traffic to offer me in exchange for all this effort I'm going to have to put in?
Get some human editors, I can see the lure of the self-propelled directory but the opportunity for abuse is too large. Get your friends to come over, pay them in beer and pizza and review submissions every week.

You are absolutely right. There is no way of stopping people from registering in the "wrong" categories. However, very few people actually do that. Still, the NetInsert directory, does require some monitoring by humans.

Based on our experience so far about 99% of all submissions are relevant and accurate. Only a few times have we deleted a page from the directory. Only one time did we have to block a page (a deleted page may be readded instantly, a blocked page can not be added to the directory again). This proves our hypothesis that the best editor of a web page is the web page owner himself, simply because he or she has the best understanding of what the web page is all about.

In a comparison to ODP the NetInsert directory would thus require 99% less editors to manage. In addition NetInsert offers instant submission in a category and geographical area of your own choice, using your own words for the title, a description, and keywords. NetInsert also continuously polls all pages in the directory to keep it updated and accurate. Broken links are guaranteed to be removed within 4 polling cycles (one polling cycle is currently 4 days).

We believe that NetInsert is the first 2nd generation web directory, or a "web directory engine" as we would like to put it. We can run it very cost efficiently, while still offering a premier directory service.

Regarding traffic, NetInsert is still in a build up phase, and we can not offer the kind of traffic you would expect from Google or ODP. However, registering with NetInsert may still prove to be a valid investment if the general idea behind the directory is embraced by a larger audience in the future.

i think this format has a chance to work. as we know from these forums nobody can police the directories for spamming as well as the webmasters and seo people using them. i suggest a solid and evolving method to report spammers and sites that try to take advantage of the directory.

I went ahead and added a site to the directory...It is not that much work and I feel it could really pay off if people start to hear about NetInsert.com, plus I am the only site listed in my category

Okay, I thought I'd give it a test run and so I typed in "restaurant" as a search (one of my clients is a major restaurant chain). No results.

Tried to browse through the directory - Business -> Food & Beverage. Okay, I have my directory I want to submit the site to. Read at the bottom of the page, to submit a URL just type into the box at the top of the page and click "Insert". Problem: There is no field or Insert button. I figure I have to drill down maybe, but the only categories are Beverages, Manufacturing and Catering. So I click Beverages just to see .. and presto, there's an Insert field.

Now what am I supposed to do? The top-level restaurants category doesn't allow you to submit a URL to it, and the sub-level cat's are innappropriate ... ?

kevsh, try emailing them. They are very responsive to questions like yours. Don't you wish it was the same with some of those OTHER directories?

On this page it states, "If the above case studies does not provide any guidance for selecting a directory and category for your web page, you are welcome to email information about the page to NetInsert, and we will try to assist you in indexing the web page."

The other day I added my site. I went back yesterday to see if I had been indexed. I accidently typed in InsertNet.com instead of NetInsert.com, MAN was I suprised!

Bob

Is there a reason for that domain? I got a bit of a laugh out of it though